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Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch

In this episode of “Voices with Vervaeke,” Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch join host John Vervaeke to explore the intersection of chronic pain, dialog, reasoning, and socio-technology ethics. Drawing from Nate’s personal experience with chronic pain and his background in organizational design, the conversation delves into the challenges corporations face in exhibiting benevolence and integrity, the biopsychosocial nature of trust, and the importance of understanding one’s perspective in navigating chronic pain journeys. The discussion also highlights the need for a shift in language and models to better understand and address chronic pain, as well as the potential of the 4E model in changing the conversation. With a focus on empowering individuals and fostering equal partnerships in dialogue, this episode encourages listeners to share their lived experiences and contribute to a transformative understanding of chronic pain.

Guest Bio and Links:
Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience.

Nathan Kinch, a sociotechnology ethicist, combines personal passion with a decade of experience in leading global transformations, focusing on ethics and trustworthiness within organizations. His work emphasizes aligning practices with core values and fostering environments of trust.
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Terri Dentry on LinkedIn:
Nate Kinch at his website, on LinkedIn, and on his Substack,

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Kinch, N. (2023, December). What’s trust got to do with it? The RSA.

Kinch, N. (2023, October). Three reasons why AI ethics is struggling. The RSA.

Sull, D., Sull, C., & Chamberlain, A. (2020). When It Comes to Culture, Does Your Company Walk the Talk? ResearchGate.

A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology – Robert B. Brandom

“My work is defined as sociotechnology ethics. I examine the relationship between our values, various aspects of the civilizational stack, and how we design different technologies. This covers a wide range of areas, including machine learning, AI, synthetic biology, and medical and clinical contexts.” – Nate Kinch [00:02:58] “Part of that journey is very personal, as people must look at how they view their own experiences. We want to help them see how others go through it and learn from their journeys.” – Terri Dentry, [00:01:23]

“Thinking of trust primarily as a psychological trait is to fundamentally misunderstand it. ” – John Vervaeke [00:16:57] Glossary of Terms:
Biopsychosocial Model: An approach to healthcare that integrates biological, psychological, and social factors.

[00:00:00] – Overview and Introduction to Guests Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch

[00:04:20] – Navigating the Complex Terrain of Trust, Transformation, and Ethical Re-architecture in Modern Organizations

[00:34:40] – Bridging Dialogues: Empowerment and Understanding in Healthcare and Beyond

[00:48:41] – Nate’s Personal Journey of Healing and Discovery

[01:07:13] – Beyond Healing: Integrating Spirituality and Meaning

[01:18:00] – Concluding Thoughts: Wisdom, Healing, and Collective Insight

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